Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Getting Dirty with Alison & Shanna

Alison says: D is for Dirty. That's good enough for me. Well, it's actually good enough for Rachel Kramer Bussell and the 26 other writers in her fab new collection from Seal Press called Dirty Girls. "Dirty" is actually one of my favorite words. (Originally, I wanted to call my collection of anal sex stories Dirty—ultimately, we went with Luscious.)

But I've been thinking for the past few days—what makes being dirty so appealing? What is it about getting dirty that turns me on?

I have to think my rebellious nature plays a big part in wanting to be dirty. I look innocent on the surface—so I counter my appearance with a filthy mouth, with dirty thoughts, with impure desires. Because music and writing meld in my world, I have a soundtrack to accompany the word "dirty," which is Bowie's Rebel, Rebel:

You've torn your dress. Your face is a mess.

That's the epitome of dirty to me. Torn clothes. Smudged cheeks. A voracious sexual appetite. (That part is implied by the throbbing bass line.)

What I love most about the concept of dirty—truly, what I like about theme-writing in general—is how differently authors tackle the same topic. What's dirty to me, may be Ivory Soap pure to someone else. So I wanted to talk to Shanna about what dirty means to her.

Shanna says: I'm along those same lines--I look clean. Wholesome. Blonde hair. Blue eyes. Pale skin. Sweet smile. If I was taller and had big boobs, I'd be considered sexual, I think. But as it is, I just look...sweet. Innocent. People want to corrupt me all the time. They apologize if they swear or say something even slightly sexy. They think I'm oh so clean.

I'm not. I've got a dirty, dirty mind. All the time.

And I like that dichotomy of me, like I'm a shined silver box full of well-guarded secrets. Pristine on the outside, filthy on the inside.

I also grew up in the feminist era, an era that said I could take my sexuality in both hands and run with it. Which was great. I'm grateful to that, really. But there's something also about being given permission to do that, something about making sex so clean and pure and allowed, that somehow lessens my sexual pleasure. It's a fine line, I think.

Tell me what a dirty girl I am...and, oh, I'll melt in your arms. No, that's not true. I'll melt first and then we'll fuck. Hard. Rough. Dirty. Or: Soft. Sweet. Still dirty.

"Until It's Gone" is one of the few stories that I've ever written that was based on a real person in my life. An ex, even. He was the first man who didn't do that, "aw, you're so sweet, I want to bring you home to my mom and then, later, try and corrupt you," bit.

This man saw me--I mean, fucking saw me. Before I'd seen me, even. He was the first man who tied me up. The first man who spanked me. The first one who used his belt around my throat. He opened something in me--maybe it was the box of dirty secrets that I mentioned before. There are days I still dream of him, of the things he did to me, for me. This story was, in some ways, a tribute to that, I think. A belated thank you.

For an excerpt from "Until It's Gone," slide over to Shanna Germain's blog.

Now, tell us. What does dirty mean to you?

XXX,
Alison & Shanna

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20 Comments:

Anonymous MP said...

I find it odd that we use words like 'dirty' or 'rude' to describe sex. It is not dirty or rude, it's wonderful and lovely and great fun.

For me dirty is what happens when I don't bathe.

;-)

6:00 AM  
Blogger Alison Tyler said...

Oh, that is funny! Because I tend to get cleaner when I don't bathe.

Honestly, I get in trouble for this every so often—using the word *dirty* to describe sex. Someone will invariably say, "Oh, no! Engaging in shameful, degrading sex acts with deviant toys and dark desires is light and fun and wholesome!"

I don't know. "Rude" and "dirty" sort of enhance the scene for me.

XXX,
AT

6:09 AM  
Blogger Jeremy Edwards said...

If I was taller and had big boobs, I'd be considered sexual, I think.

[Spits out coffee.] Yeah. Right. I was just looking at that bathtub picture, for example, thinking, "That Shanna ... too bad she doesn't look remotely sexual." Yeah. Right.

And Alison, would you be offended if I paraphrased Bowie and said, "Hot tramp, we love you so"?

6:27 AM  
Blogger Alison Tyler said...

Jeremy, you can Bowie me any time.

XXX,
AT

6:39 AM  
Anonymous MP said...

So you want it to be dirty, forbidden fruit and all that.

Yeah I can understand that.

But I prefer to call it naughty in those circumstances.

7:31 AM  
Blogger Alison Tyler said...

Ah, I have no problem at all calling it naughty!

XXX,
AT

7:40 AM  
Blogger Heidi Champa said...

For me, it's more about what the word dirty implies, not that the act itself is inherently dirty. Sex isn't "dirty", at least not in the traditional sense. But, the "forbidden"; or the raw, intense power of a good fuck. That is dirty. Although, I like naughty too. ;)

7:54 AM  
Blogger Angell said...

Dirty sometimes seems very juvenile a word to me, which in turn brings to mind spanking scenes and punishment.

So dirty is very very good. :D At least in my world.

8:31 AM  
Blogger Shanna Germain said...

[wipes the coffee off Jeremy's computer screen with a grin]

Yes, naughty's almost as good for me as dirty! But I'm very sound oriented...which is dirty is somehow better for me. Naughty sounds softer, that long "au" and the silent gh. But dirty...sounds harder to me. It's the consonants, I think. And the way your mouth changes when you say it.

[laughs]

Or possibly, I'm just trying to intellectualize something that's just inherently sexy to me...

Best, s.

8:32 AM  
Blogger Dakota Rebel said...

I agree with the Rebel Rebel epitomizing dirty. That is the song from which my name came. David Bowie....yum.

Oh how I wanted to be his hot tramp. Before I even knew what that really meant.

I wanted to be his little china girl. I wanted him to be my Queen Bitch.

I think perhaps David Bowie as a whole means dirty to me. My thoughts always fall to filth when his music plays, when I see his picture, hell when I hear his name.

So thank you, my brain is going to be so much more fun this afternoon than it would have been if you hadn't posted this.

XoXoXo
Dakota Rebel

10:17 AM  
Blogger Dayle A. Dermatis said...

Shanna, FWIW, I've never thought you looked clean or innocent.

But maybe that says something about my dirty mind!

10:19 AM  
Blogger Alison Tyler said...

I'm just waiting for the companion book to come out. You know? Dirty Boys. Maybe edited by Matt Conklin? I can see the cover in my head....

XXX,
AT

10:39 AM  
Blogger Isabel Kerr said...

Now, I have never seen a decent (;-)) photo of Alison, so I cannot say, I'm sure it's the same deal, but I can say for absolute certain that I have never seen a photo that shows how fucking gorgeous Shanna is and sweet and innocent is never how I'd describe her, maybe sweet and sizzling. I can still hear her laughter here. Dirty Girls indeed.

J is for jealousy, right J eremy? ; ;

12:06 PM  
Blogger Jeremy Edwards said...

All I know is that every time I peek back into this Alison-Shanna dirty girl party, more sexy, dirty women have shown up! There must be a trapdoor.

2:15 PM  
Blogger Mehreen said...

Sometimes sex is more fun when it's wrong, or dirty. I completely understood what Shanna meant when she said that feminism made it more ok and that made it less naughty. Of course, everything in context...dirty can definitely mean more than just dirt!

2:32 PM  
Blogger Alison Tyler said...

irty can definitely mean more than just dirt!

I like that. And on my way home just now, I heard first Dirty Laundry and then Young Lust ("oooh, I need a dirty woman, ooh, I need a dirty girl").

Clearly, I'm not the only person with a filthy mind walking around today.

XXX,
AT

3:38 PM  
Blogger Raven said...

Love the dirty word. Like cunt, cock, and ass, it makes no pretense, and that is so hot.

Blessings,
Raven

7:26 PM  
Blogger kathrynoh said...

I love the word 'dirty' too. It's fun :D If I said I felt dirty then I'd not consider it as being shameful, more like a way of saying I feel horny without sounding like something from an Austin Powers movie.

2:01 AM  
Blogger jothemama said...

Dirty is great. And filthy is better.

Look what I got!
http://infantasia.blogspot.com/2008/04/bleeding-for-my-filth.html

2:09 AM  
Blogger KM said...

Dirty is what you get when you stomp in puddles and make mud pies. It's playful and delicious. Hey Shanna, nice tub pic, but it's time we did another photo shoot!

10:42 AM  

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